Market crash: have we hit bottom or is there worse to come?

For a little while, markets looked like they were about to embark on a full-on crash. And that could still happen, says Dominic Frisby. Today, he looks back at previous crashes to see what they can teach us about where things might go next.

Traders on the New York Stock Exchange
The relief rally in stocks is worryingly close to the 2008 crash template
(Image credit: © TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP via Getty Images)

A week or so ago, the selling action in the stockmarket had grown so bad that a number of folks thought a crash was back on the cards.

Market crashes don’t come along often

Crashes are rare events – the 21st century has seen two so far. That’s rather a lot by the standards of the previous century, when there were perhaps five or six in the US over the course of 100 years – 1907, 1929, 1937, 1962, 1987 and 1990.

It depends how you define crash, of course; you could argue there were just three. So crashes don’t happen often. The probability is, then, that if you forecast or expect them, you are going to be wrong.

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Even the great short sellers who made fortunes during crashes – Jesse Livermore in 1929, Stanley Druckenmiller in 2008 – will tell you that 90% of their fortunes were made on the long side, especially in growth stocks (that’s what Druckenmiller says, at least).

Yet, a bit like ghosts and UFO landings, stockmarket crashes make for good copy; predicting crashes gets you lots of clicks and lots of followers. I think we all have an innate obsession with them. The thought of a crash and losing everything lingers at the back of every investor’s mind, the worst-case scenario.

But selling pressure got so extreme that it really started to feel like a full-on crash could be on the cards. Stockmarkets have rallied a bit now, so the pressure has eased and it feels like they are going to rally a bit further. But a week ago, I can tell you, I was feeling the heat, and I bet you were too.

What triggered me was a recollection of 2008, when markets had been in abject decline for some months, but the oil price kept rising. It made its way all the way to $150 a barrel or thereabouts in July of that year, before capitulating along with everything else by the autumn.

It occurred to me that something similar was happening this year: markets generally were declining, while the oil price kept on rising on its march to $130.

Oil price surges are driven by genuine demand, but there is always a lot of hot speculative money in there as well, which means the rises and the sell-offs are always a bit more racy than perhaps they otherwise would be.

What previous crashes can tell us about what might happen next

In any case, history often rhymes, as the saying goes, and so there is some value to fractal patterns – that is, looking for similar price patterns from different periods – if you are looking to ascertain how likely certain outcomes are.

I spent some time at the weekend comparing the price action of various asset prices in the lead up to the crashes of 2000 and 2008 – the S&P 500, gold, copper, Brent crude oil and the long bond (using the exchange-traded fund TLT) – compared to the price action of late.

I’m not going to post a chart as there are too many squiggly lines and it’s confusing. But the sequence has been as follows: TLT (bonds) made a high at the beginning of December 2021, then relentlessly declined. Stockmarkets (S&P 500) peaked at the beginning of January 2022, then relentlessly declined.

Oil, gold and copper all peaked in March, with gold and copper all going into relentless decline. Oil then had another rally and peaked in early June. Now we are having a relief rally in stocks (or have we seen the low?).

So to summarise – bonds, then stocks, then precious and base metals, then oil. Then a relief rally in stocks.

Turning to 2008, bonds rallied as everything else crashed, so there is no correlation. But otherwise the sequence is similar.

Stocks peaked in October 2007, then gold and copper peaked in March 2008. Gold then fell, but copper had another rally, eventually peaking with oil in July. Then they began their fall. Stocks had a relief rally for a couple of months, then in September we went into global free fall.

Bonds aside then, the sequence is similar enough to be concerning.

In 2000, bonds peaked over a year ahead of stocks, declined, but then rallied as stocks fell. Gold peaked six months ahead of stocks – which peaked in March 2000. (Gold was at the end of its worst bear market ever, so I am not even sure comparisons are valid here). But then copper and oil peaked shortly after stocks re-tested their highs in October 2000.

So leaving aside bonds, there is a definite sequence of stocks peaking, followed by base metals and oil a few months after, then the big declines.

We are following a similar sequence now.

Sentiment was so low last week and markets were so oversold that there is a part of me that thinks we have already seen the low. But I’m also conscious that a relief rally in stocks now, with weakness in metals and energy, is worryingly close to the 2008 crash template and, to an extent, the 2000 template.

So maybe it’s not time to bet the house just yet.

Dominic’s film, Adam Smith: Father of the Fringe, about the unlikely influence of the father of economics on the greatest arts festival in the world is now available to watch on YouTube.

Dominic Frisby

Dominic Frisby (“mercurially witty” – the Spectator) is as far as we know the world’s only financial writer and comedian. He is the author of the popular newsletter the Flying Frisby and is MoneyWeek’s main commentator on gold, commodities, currencies and cryptocurrencies. He has also taken several of his shows to the Edinburgh Festival Fringe.

His books are Daylight Robbery - How Tax Changed our Past and Will Shape our Future; Bitcoin: the Future of Money? and Life After the State - Why We Don't Need Government

Dominic was educated at St Paul's School, Manchester University and the Webber-Douglas Academy Of Dramatic Art. You can follow him on X @dominicfrisby