Do you think £50 is a 'nominal' amount of money?
Most new entrants to the fund management business are beginning to understand that they need to compete on price. The established players don't seem to get it.
I wrote last week that new entrants to the fund management market now appear to understand that they need to at least pretend to compete on price as companies do in most other markets.
However, it turns out that not all the established players in the market are with the programme on this particularly in the private client industry.
A reader has forwarded me a note to him from Killik and Co. It offers him the opportunity to have the company build him a "bespoke UK-listed equities portfolio."
Subscribe to MoneyWeek
Subscribe to MoneyWeek today and get your first six magazine issues absolutely FREE
Sign up to Money Morning
Don't miss the latest investment and personal finances news, market analysis, plus money-saving tips with our free twice-daily newsletter
Don't miss the latest investment and personal finances news, market analysis, plus money-saving tips with our free twice-daily newsletter
The nice people at the firm will gather together for him ten holdings with a"defensive growth bias" and with "strong long term growth prospects not reliant on sustained cyclical recovery." They'll also try and make sure that he gets a "minimum prospective dividend yield of 2%." They'll time their stock selections "as precisely as possible", and even let him say if he doesn't want them to buy any commodities or oil and gas for him. They'll also write down their ideas "in depth" so giving him comfort that his stock holdings are "fully researched".
That sounds like a lot of work for them. But I don't suppose it really is Killik is a stockbroker, so stock picking is what they are supposed to do anyway: any of the stocks they might shovel into your portfolio will already be part of what they call their "virtual portfolio of ideas".
So what do you think Killik might charge you for this list of ten stocks? A management fee of 1%, perhaps, to cover the admin of opening a special account for Killik to put your shares in, the fact that you are getting a "tailored account" plus a contribution towards your broker's bonus? Or maybe a little bit more because you are a private client and everyone in the business knows it makes sense to charge private clients extra. If so you'd be wrong.
They'll be charging you 2% of the value of the portfolio every year, plus 10% of all returns over those made by the FTSE All Share Index (plus VAT). And they'll also be charging you £50 per trade regardless of the size of the trade rather than the £15 or so you'd pay at a discount broker. That's a sum they consider to be "nominal".
This is totally, absolutely, 100% outrageous. As a product it has few saving graces. As a charging structure it has absolutely none.
It doesn't even pretend to be clever no derivatives, no short selling, no shifting around asset classes. None of the stuff that allows hedge funds to get away with claiming (wrongly of course) that they can charge silly fees because they can do stuff other people can't. And it doesn't even invest abroad and therefore need complicated stuff such as bilingual analysts or aeroplane flights to be involved.
Instead, it is just a concentrated (and therefore risky) portfolio of long-only UK-listed stocks. For which they want to charge double the normal UK management fee, as well as a performance fee.
My views on performance fees (they are wrong, wrong, wrong) are here: The only kind of performance fee I wouldn't mind. But I feel much the same about the 2%. It is rapaciously high. And it is totally out of whack with market trends.
Get the iShares FTSE UK Dividends Plus ETF instead. Or a good investment trust (Morningstar has just started rating them, which is helpful). Or really just about anything.
Sign up to Money Morning
Our team, led by award winning editors, is dedicated to delivering you the top news, analysis, and guides to help you manage your money, grow your investments and build wealth.
Merryn Somerset Webb started her career in Tokyo at public broadcaster NHK before becoming a Japanese equity broker at what was then Warburgs. She went on to work at SBC and UBS without moving from her desk in Kamiyacho (it was the age of mergers).
After five years in Japan she returned to work in the UK at Paribas. This soon became BNP Paribas. Again, no desk move was required. On leaving the City, Merryn helped The Week magazine with its City pages before becoming the launch editor of MoneyWeek in 2000 and taking on columns first in the Sunday Times and then in 2009 in the Financial Times
Twenty years on, MoneyWeek is the best-selling financial magazine in the UK. Merryn was its Editor in Chief until 2022. She is now a senior columnist at Bloomberg and host of the Merryn Talks Money podcast - but still writes for Moneyweek monthly.
Merryn is also is a non executive director of two investment trusts – BlackRock Throgmorton, and the Murray Income Investment Trust.
-
Water companies blocked from using customer money to pay “undeserved” bonuses
The regulator has blocked three water companies from using billpayer money to pay £1.5 million in exec bonuses
By Katie Williams Published
-
Will the Bitcoin price hit $100,000?
With Bitcoin prices trading just below $100,000, we explore whether the cryptocurrency can hit the milestone.
By Dan McEvoy Published
-
House prices to crash? Your house may still be making you money, but not for much longer
Opinion If you’re relying on your property to fund your pension, you may have to think again. But, says Merryn Somerset Webb, if house prices start to fall there may be a silver lining.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
Prepare your portfolio for recession
Opinion A recession is looking increasingly likely. Add in a bear market and soaring inflation, and things are going to get very complicated for investors, says Merryn Somerset Webb.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
Investing for income? Here are six investment trusts to buy now
Opinion For many savers and investors, income is getting hard to find. But it's not impossible to find, says Merryn Somerset Webb. Here, she picks six investment trusts that are currently yielding more than 4%.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
Stories are great – but investors should stick to reality
Opinion Everybody loves a story – and investors are no exception. But it’s easy to get carried away, says Merryn Somerset Webb, and forget the underlying truth of the market.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
Everything is collapsing at once – here’s what to do about it
Opinion Equity and bond markets are crashing, while inflation destroys the value of cash. Merryn Somerset Webb looks at where investors can turn to protect their wealth.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
Value is starting to emerge in the markets
Opinion If you are looking for long-term value in the markets, some is beginning to emerge, says Merryn Somerset Webb. Indeed, you may soon be able to buy traditionally expensive growth stocks on the cheap, too.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
ESG investing could end up being a classic mistake
Opinion ESG investing has been embraced with enormous speed and zeal. But think long and hard before buying in, says Merryn Somerset Webb.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published
-
UK house prices will fall – but not for a few years
Opinion UK house prices look out of reach for many. But the truth is that British property is surprisingly affordable, says Merryn Somerset Webb. Prices will fall at some point – but not yet.
By Merryn Somerset Webb Published