How Jim Rogers would replace the Federal Reserve

When I met Jim Rogers today he was raging about the US Federal Reserve. He thinks the US central bank has been inexcusably incompetent. He thinks that Ben Bernanke and his predecessor Alan Greenspan, with their debt binges, ludicrously easy monetary policy and money printing, “have absolutely no concept” of economics, finance or currencies.

The whole thing, he says, is “mind boggling”. The Fed is “one of the most dangerous things” in the world and it won’t be long before there is a currency crisis in the US (although it is perfectly possible there could be one somewhere else – the UK, the Philippines, take your pick – first).

So I ask him what he would do if he was chairman of the Fed. First, he says he would resign and head for the pub. I say that’s not allowed. So he says he would abolish the Fed and then head for the pub. I say he isn’t allowed to abolish the Fed in this particular game of ‘what-ifs’. It may be a good idea – I don’t know – but even for me it is a tad extreme.

So, under pressure, he says that he would first try and sell off all the junk on the balance sheet. Then he would stand aside from the currency markets, credit markets and the bond markets and let the market set interest rates. He would target nothing – right now, the Fed says it is targeting inflation, but it is really “targeting survival”.

He would take the Fed back to its original purpose, making it nothing but the lender of last resort – as it was supposed to be after the panic of 1907. He would lend – in a crisis only and at very high rates of interest – against good collateral. Other than that he would be in the pub (this, he points out, worked very well for the managers of the Bank of England in the 19th century). The market, he reckons, could do a much better job than the Fed. Why? Because the Fed quite clearly doesn’t have a clue where interest rates should be; the market might.
 
But this isn’t actually his preferred option. That really is the total abolition of the Fed and – as I understand him – the re-introduction of “free banking”. This refers to an environment in which there is no central bank and there are no special regulations for ordinary banks – no fractional-reserve ratio for example. Instead they can issue their own paper currencies as they like and the market will then set the price of money (the rate of interest) and the supply of money.

Anyone can set up a bank in the same sort of way they could set up any other kind of company (as long as they adhere to corporate law). To do so they need no special government licence, just the capital required and the public confidence in them to allow their notes to enter circulation. If they make a mess of it, they end up bankrupt and the shareholders lose everything – they don’t get to call on the government for special help when they need it.

Could this possibly work? It has before. Between 1716 and 1845 the Scottish had a form of free banking in which RBS and the Bank of Scotland issued competitive currencies. The US had its very own free banking era between 1837 and 1864 (although it wasn’t entirely free) and Sweden had forms of free banking for much of the 19th century. Sweden’s example is considered to have been pretty successful: in the 70 years before the issuing of private money was banned, only one bank went under – and that was down to fraud, not financial incompetence.
 
So could it work again, or is Jim Rogers just jetlagged (I meet him in the middle of a journey from New York to Singapore)? I’m not sure. I haven’t yet thought around all the implications of free banking yet. But it is interesting. We spend a lot of our time arguing for free markets in most things, so why not money? Does it make sense for a central authority to spend as much energy as it does attempting to manipulate the money supply?

Free banking might be completely nuts, and I can’t imagine how we would get from where we are now to a place where it might be implemented (Rogers thinks the Fed will eventually collapse under the weight of its own idiocy). But there is a chance that it might – and only might – give us more stability, less trouble with ultra-low interest rates, less credit, less inflation and more responsibility.

It might also come with one very satisfactory upside: all the people who devote their careers to second guessing the Fed (will interest rates rise or fall at the next meeting? Will there will be QEIII?) could actually start thinking about something useful instead. We’ve only just started thinking about this one – look out for more on the subject in next week’s issue of MoneyWeek magazine. If you’re not already a subscriber, get your first three copies free here.

32 Responses

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    12/05/2011, JAW wrote

    Free banking is a licence only for fraud and get rich bankers. In the US recently140 banks went bust in one year. When banks go bust the paper money they issue becomes worthless, so the loss extends to currency holders as well as depositors. Where will the depositors get compensation if there is no central bank?

    The Rogers' fallacy is to assume private banks are more competent than central banks, but who was it that couldn't see that mortgage derivatives were phony and fraudulent? Just imagine Fred Goodwin allowed to print as much money as he likes? In a free market the bank which geared up the fractional-reserve ratio the most would make the most profit and would attempt to buy out and take over the weaker and more cautious and responsible competition. The most irresponsible would triumph. Ratios of deposits to lending instead of being a historic 9 times, and a now common 20 to 40 times could reach 100 times, and why not a 1000 times? Mad, dangerous.

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    12/05/2011, JAW wrote

    The value of currency issued by different banks wouldn't be the same. An HSBC pound would be worth more than a Royal Bank of Scotland pound, or a Lehman's pound. If everyone can issue currency, how much would a Robert Maxwell pound be worth? Instead of having to exchange currency when travelling abroad, you would have to do so for every transaction you make within the UK. Every shop keeper would have to know what each individual bank currency was worth, and act as a type of money changer. The price would have to be marked up in 5, 10, perhaps 50 different UK bank currencies.

    In the end someone would have to invent a central bank to bring relative stability back into the system.

    The solution to a stable honest money supply is a single World Currency issued by a truly independent IMF, adhering strictly to the rules of a Basel Committee type charter.

    Alcohol destroys brain cells. All that time in the pub has left Rogers with a sadly depleted intellect.

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    12/05/2011, Alex wrote

    "Where will the depositors get compensation if there is no central bank?"

    They won't JAW, that's the whole point.

    "The Rogers' fallacy is to assume private banks are more competent than central banks"

    No he isn't saying that at all.

    What he is saying is that money or rather risk is being mispriced ( underpriced ) because central banks are giving the impression that when people deposit money in a bank it is no longer at risk.

    They are being led to believe that the interest they receive is in exchange for zero risk. This means people accept very low rates of interest, and banks have no incentive to lend money out at rates that reflect the real risks involved.

    In combination this has impoverished savers and led to excessive and wreckless lending.

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    12/05/2011, Elvis Presley wrote

    The return of moral hazard - how quaint. It's a huge leap in this dependent society. Who's going to bail me out - well, ahem, no one. Gulp. Now that is a sobering feeling, no safety net. How about a bank that has gold in its vault, and issues silver coins. Since such metals can only be created in the center of an exploding supernova, they have a somewhat restricted supply and are also universally recognized (and accepted). It could just work.

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    12/05/2011, Robert Glass wrote

    I’m not going to get into free market arguement however i am going to state that i support them and jims views, but I do have a few comments. an institution(fed etc) setting the price of money is price fixing, and is illegal, but consequently seems like it is not illegal for the state, e.g. the state (in uk) not that long ago prosecuted a group of building firms for fixing prices to win government contracts but it can tell us what our money costs amongst other things? .. As for getting rid of the fed.. Yeah, they were set up to "protect the value of the us dollar"... the chairmen of the fed over the years must be absolutely the smartest men on the planet without a shadow of a doubt in my opinion. Given the fact that the us dollar has lost something like 99.5% of its purchasing power from 1913 and the fed still exists is remarkable.if I had a performance like that I would not be one of the many graduates in a low skill job, but rather one of the growing number with no job at all.

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    12/05/2011, roland wrote

    Jim Rogers always strikes me as a bit of a nutty loon. But an endearing one and I agree with most of his thoughts. I'd have a pint with him. No idea how free banking would work but as a thought experiment and technologist I have often thought the internet could and should offer us a realistic opportunity for a truly new approach to finance and money. Do we really, really need the banks after all?

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    12/05/2011, JAW wrote

    Alex,

    If depositors and currency holders receive no compensation if a bank goes bust then confidence in money is undermined. Under Rogers system bank runs will become common. Trade suffers.

    BoE has never given the impression there is no risk to bank deposits. When a bank's balance sheet exceeds GDP the risk is the government can not bail it out without bankrupting the nation. Obvious.

    People accept low rates of interest at banks because there is nowhere else to put their money. Banks are free and have every incentive to charge whatever interest they wish to reflect risk, but with the new requirements on capital ratios, State levies and taxes, bail out loans to be repaid, undeclared potential losses, weak balance sheets, a chastened attitude of caution... there isn't as much money to lend out.

    High fractional-reserve ratios work well during booms but are exposed to catastrophic losses during cyclical busts. Rogers free banking system will be vulnerable during busts.

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    13/05/2011, Lou Smith wrote

    The problem quite simply is a spiritual one. For some reason we refuse to believe that economics is a spiritual undertaking. Greed or the "the gaining idea" -the perpetual need to accumulate- inevitably leads to collapse. The "all in all" or shall we call it the "perpetual motion machine" is only perfected through self-restraint. Humans have not learned yet that the the greatest good is self-restraint and then sharing benefits of ones self-restraint with others. Self restraint and sharing are self regulating spiritual conditions against which there is no law of retribution. Mankind is shortly going to experience a form of spiritual retribution beyond most's ability to imagine- it is the only way though difficult that which you just read may make any sense.

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    13/05/2011, roland wrote

    Lou, your self-restraint idea sounds terrific and has every chance of working I think.

    By the way, can I borrow some money?

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    13/05/2011, Alex wrote

    JAW.... so what exaclty do you think the despoit guarentee scheme is all abou then?

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    13/05/2011, Peter Kellow wrote

    The current system of letting central banks print whatever money they like and letting private banks create new fangled instruments to balloon the money supply are the economics of the mad house.

    Americans when they seek alternatives often look to libertarian ideas like "free banking". Libertarianism has a big presense in American politics which we don't have. JAW is right. It is a crooks' charter. Mad, dangerous

    Dominic Frisby and others propose returning to a gold backed currency and that must mean gold backed loans as well. This would put a brake on the economy. Economies that did not adopt this system would fly away from those that did

    The only other solution is Sound Sovereign Money which means the government issues ALL new money under control of a constitutionally guaranteed authority free of political control. This would lower taxes, lower all forms of debt, lower asset prices, give value to savings and give a rocket to real productive business

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    13/05/2011, Haras wrote

    The first he must do to establish free banking is to eliminate all the Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, CFRs and the rest of the NWO crowd.
    Then we can start over.

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    14/05/2011, Beta Adjusted wrote

    Presumably 'free banking' means going back to the gold standard (or some form of hard currency) and, crucially, scrapping fractional reserve banking. Then every bank's depository receipts should have roughly the same market value and the system might 'work'. But then one gets into the gold standard vs fiat currency debate, social engineering vs private rights etc. yet again. Which is an interesting debate ...

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    14/05/2011, Ideas and Thoughts wrote

    It's best for people who are good at making money to lend money as they are better at judging if they get a return.

    Sites like Zopa are good as it gives credit and this is taken from stores of wealth. Stored money is idle money taken out of the system. When money is borrowed from this store it injects money into the economy by a lender who deserves to make money on their skill and judgement.

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    14/05/2011, Ideas and Thoughts wrote

    I have never used Zopa, but it would be good if large companies did this as well. Tescos, Co op and Sainsburys do it, not sure if it is from their cash on balance sheet, but it would be good if companies could join a website and lend money too. Or paying out more dividends is a great way too. Especially not to just directors but other staff who will spend the money and not just store the money taking money out of the system. (yes we need to save, but no-one needs to have more than £100 million sat in a bank account). There must be billions sitting in accounts of companies and individuals that could go back into circulation - even if it spent on projects that help society such as a battery that collects solar energy so that people can plug in to it at home to power the tv for free and save on electricity costs making us all richer as living costs reduce etc.

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    14/05/2011, Ideas and Thoughts wrote

    Another contradiction is that if profitable companies and rich people tell other people how they do it, the logic is that they will profit even more in the end. As rich people and profitable companies will have more customers with more to spend, leading to more profit accumulation. Much better than artificial flooding circulation where new money may go to people who cannot make one pound equal two - unless the successful tell them how to do it.

    A bit of a jumble but needed to get this down before the FA Cup starts

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    14/05/2011, steveH wrote

    Yes but if the new private bank goes bust, the shareholders lose, the depositors lose, but the directors will certainly have creamed off enough that they won't really care. In Brazil if a bank goes broke so do the directors. Now that focusses minds.

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    16/05/2011, JamesC wrote

    JAW and Peter Kellow,

    You've missed the point with 'free banking'.

    Would you accept payment in a currency that you knew was backed by nothing? Of course not. Hence, for the market to accept a bank's notes, it would have to be backed by something... and throughout history, that something has been gold and or silver.

    Any bank that attempted to issue unbacked notes would get exactly nowhere.

    You might want to have a look at monetary history. A 'pound sterling' used to be exactly that. If free banking were introduced, banks would have no choice but to re-introduce a standard way of defining what backed their currency.

    To prevent bank runs, and also as a general rule, I (and many free-market economists) believe fractional-reserve banking should be considered a form of fraud and prohibited by law.

    Limited Liability, whereby company directors can virtually steal a company's creditors', shareholders', and customers' money, should also be ended.

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    16/05/2011, JamesC wrote

    As for the idea that limiting credit would limit economic expansion, you are making the classic conflation - that money equals wealth. Cheap money doesn't produce greater wealth; it merely bids up the prices of things that are bought with it. So, for instance, when cheap money has led to bubbles in real estate, there inevitably comes a time when its prices are out of line with everything else and when interest rates go up, house prices must come down. This is tremendously disruptive, and ruinous for those who bought towards the end of the boom-bust cycle; economies would function better with truly market-determined interest rates.

    Central planners are no better at determining the 'correct' amount of money than they were at planning tractor production.

    As for the idea of a 'truly' independent central monetary authority - google 'regulatory capture' and join the real world.

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    16/05/2011, deblijemoolenaar wrote

    "Where will the depositors get compensation if there is no central bank?"

    Banks would be rated by agencies. Based on the rating, one could buy insurance from private parties against default. If you want to work with a risky bank, you pay more premium on the insurance... This way, losses are not socialized. This is the way it should be.

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    16/05/2011, stephen lyth wrote

    Does jim know anything about the Regulatory authorities role in the City ? Clearly not, move on nothing to see here

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    16/05/2011, Velocity wrote

    the only thing that's "nuts" is having central banking, or cnetralised anything, in the first place. Monopolists like the State destroy everything they (mis)manage. You name any Dept of Govt, quango or public-private partnership that does a proper job?
    Name any such public entity that delivers better than a free competitive market?
    The answers are 'none' and 'never'
    A free competitive market in money is essential just as it is in all our markets. That leaves the power in the hands of consumers who throughout history have proven wiser than the peanut brained politicians and central bankers

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    16/05/2011, Velocity wrote

    21. stephen lyth
    "Does jim know anything about the Regulatory authorities role in the City? Clearly not.."
    Do remind us SL what a tremendous 'role' the regulators in the City have done???
    They're No.1 role in case you forgot was to stop a run on the banks. Failed.
    Our wonderful tri-partheid system of Bank of England (failed), FSA (failed) and Treasury (failed).
    The free market rewards failure with the Grim Reeper, they go bankrupt. What did these tri-morons do? They propped up the bankrupt crap.
    So on top of failing to see any problems they also failed at their policy response. Blind and dumb versus a free market that always makes the wisest decision

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    17/05/2011, roland wrote

    Currency needs to be backed, I think Moneyweek readers mostly agree on that. Gold production has risen in line with population but allows no extra inflation. Although each generation overrates it's productive contribution to humanity, we are advancing.

    Companies have inherent value, many have registered as banks, largely though they can trade their free money in the magic money markets and buy growth - hello Google. But they could also issue Google dollars. I don't think free banking is completely nutty and would welcome return of moral hazard.

    But I prefer to dream up a currency backed by Jim's commodity index basket or similar. So we only inflate our glovpbal currency to the degree that we can increasingly feed the world.

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    17/05/2011, JAW wrote

    JamesC

    Agree with everything you say.

    You subtly introduce three changes to the present system: gold/silver backed currencies, prohibition of fractional-reserve banking, and the ending of limited liability. That makes all the difference... in such conditions free banking could work well. Jim Rogers probably doesn't advocate any such changes or rules, that's the problem. By free, he really means free.

    The problem of differential bank note values still remains. As an example: In the past, Scottish bank notes issued by the then three existing Scottish banks were only worth 90 pence in England. If you tried to buy something with Scottish pounds in England retailers would commonly deduct 10%. So how much would they deduct for a Bernie Madoff issued dollar or pound?

    Under a Rogers free banking system, Madoff, Goldman Sachs, Lehmans, Icesave etc would be free to set up banks in the UK and issue currency. Ummm... interesting?

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    22/05/2011, ubear wrote

    Jim Rogers seems naive. I think we need some rules, otherwise we let the Red Shield bankers and their incestuous banking networks run riot.
    Partly as JamesC states, I propose:
    1. Fractional Reserve Lending is fraud, plain and simple, thus a criminal act, period. All such lending/fees should be fined from the bank to sterilise the external credit.
    2. We should accept that compound interest is insane fraud. This should be done with annual contracts, and no early redemption fee fraud.
    3. Limited Liability is just state supported fraud. This should be done with annual contracts with all affected parties, excluding criminal liability.
    4. All Currencies should have a defined ratio to a valuable resource, to prevent any agency from engaging in fraud, either as debtor or lender.
    5. All proceeds of fake currency crime should be pay fines in Silver or Gold, to more effectively destroy any fake currency; that would really concentrate minds!

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    24/05/2011, Kingbingo wrote


    JAW

    “Jim Rogers probably doesn't advocate any such changes or rules, that's the problem. By free, he really means free.”
    You don’t need centrally planned rules in a free system, you only need choice and intact moral hazard. Obviously you get both in free system by definition or it’s not free.
    There do not need to be rules, the consumer will choice a currency that is sound and backed by real assets. Probably gold and silver, but could be anything else that the public choose to accept.
    You are falling into the old trap of thinking that if you remove central planning you need to impose central planning rules on the ‘free market’ that replaces it. But in doing so you don’t actually get rid of central planning and you don’t get a free market.

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    24/05/2011, Kingbingo wrote

    JAW

    “If you tried to buy something with Scottish pounds in England retailers would commonly deduct 10%. So how much would they deduct for a Bernie Madoff issued dollar or pound?”
    Arbitrage is the concept you are missing. If a Scottish pound is backed by a weight of gold and silver, and I can buy that Scottish pound for 90% of the value of the same weight of metal against an English pound then I would hope to become rich very quickly. I will simply bid 91% the value and cash in the 9% by redeeming my Scottish pound, buying English pounds and repeating. Of course someone else will notice the profits I am making and bid 92% for a Scottish pound. This process will repeat until the premium is reduced to nil. In a sophisticated economy like ours a sound free currency will always trade at fair value. While currencies that are not sound will not be wanted and will not be used ahead of sounder competitors.


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    24/05/2011, Kingbingo wrote

    JAW


    “Under a Rogers free banking system, Madoff, Goldman Sachs, Lehmans, Icesave etc would be free to set up banks in the UK and issue currency. Ummm... interesting?”

    Yes they would, so would you. And if you or them did not back your currency with something tangible which was ring fenced and proven then no one would buy that currency in the first place. If you did then there would be no issue, as the hard assets would underlie the currency in the event of the issuers collapse.

    You have not yet got your head around the concept of free banking. You are trying to criticize it by highlighting the faults of the fiat system. Might I suggest instead of describing a man who is vastly more financially successful than yourself as having a ‘sadly depleted intellect’ on the basis of a short article that you failed to grasp the underlying concepts you start doing some Google search and begin the process of educating yourself on those concepts before you criticize further.

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    24/05/2011, Sargam wrote

    From what I understand, Scotland's lengthy experiment in free market banking was very successful. They had a stable economy the entire time, in complete contrast to the Bank of England next door, which finally abolished their system forcibly. Historical results speak for themselves.

    It is pathetic how people can't see something so simple as that the money monopoly sitting at the very centre of so-called capitalist society poisons the entire enterprise. Especially when it is exempt from audit or oversight - that ought to be a clue?

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    25/05/2011, LERENARD wrote

    I do not understand why Jim Rogers want s to go back to a system that failed and had to be changed to the present one. What we do need are rules that everyone adheres to. Post war Germany before the advent of the Euro offers the model of how a curency should be managed.

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